you know what i learned lately? it's that if you reach transcendent greatness--you'll never be forgotten. it's this logic that has has people drop Pacino's name everytime we talking about great actors even though he has had a string of crap movies. but hey--he once made an offer you couldn't refuse and that was that. pacino's forever a legend.
the same logic applies to the strokes. now the strokes haven't fallen off in quality the way pacino's movies have, mind you. but there is this general thinking among music publications that their second and third albums weren't that good. especially when compared to their genre-altering, trendsetting debut album Is This It.
i don't agree at all. i think sophmore effort Room On Fire was almost as good as Is This It (think Magic to Bird almost-as-good) and third album First Impressions Of Earth was very good as well (You Only Live Once and Razorblade stood out especially)
but it's not about what i think--the general consensus is that they have lost relevance since breaking down the walls of crappy late 90s music with Is This It. the critics LOVED them--i remember one british journo dubbed the strokes and white stripes "the beatles and stones of our generation" (hyperbole, of course, but i can see the somewhat comparison). and for the most part the strokes were largely forgotten from 2006 on.
but then now, as the decade is coming to a close, and everyone is compiling their greatest albums list, it becomes clear that Is This It stood the test of time. 8 years after its post-9/11 release, the album is ranked near the top of every "greatest albums of the decade" list. a great feat considering the british and american lists are drastically different--meaning the same artists that top all the british lists doesn't sniff the top of the american list and vice versa.
perhaps people are now reminded how great the strokes are. suddenly there seems to be a surge in strokes talk, not just in what i read but in my life. the other day i had a chat with a friend's sister's bf. he saw me in my strokes shirt and we started talking about it. thing is when Is This It came out, he was probably like, 12.
im listening to espn sports writer bill simmons' podcast right now. he's interviewing chuck klosterman. i'm listening expecting them to talk ball and tiger. instead they're going on about how great the strokes' album was and how they were blown away in 2001 when they heard it.
then at work, i was asked by the music editor to list my top ten albums of the year--as a throwaway pick i mentioned strokes lead singer julian casablancas' solo album just so i can throw a mention to the strokes. the feature is made up of lists from five other people--i was the only one to mention casablancas. meanwhile, yeah yeah yeahs and fever ray topped just about everyone's lists.
but yet when the layout was designed by the designer/illustrator, there was a picture of the strokes frontman, smack dab in the middle of the layout--while yeah yeah yeahs were nowhere to be found.
i was scratching my head at the logic. "julian is in 1% of this feature, yeah yeah yeahs is in 20%, so why is julian the main layout picture?"
then the next day, during coffee break, i saw the designer/illustrator walk by.
she was wearing a strokes shirt.
she a fan. the decision to put julian front and center was out of personal preference.
but hey, id do the same. the strokes' is this it is the best album of this decade.
this is a collection of quotes about the album from wikipedia:
Gary Mulholland of The Observer considers the release of Is This It a "world-changing moment" and notes that its impact was "immediate and dramatic" on both music and attire.[63]BBC Radio 1's Zane Lowe suggests that the album moved popular opinion from DJs and pop music to "skinny jeans and guitars", "the template for rock 'n' roll in the modern day".[64] Tam Gunn of FACT agrees and explains that it "caused a sea change" in mainstream music in the U.S. and the UK,[65]
while Anthony Miccio of Stylus points out that The Strokes' success
created the commercial context for "other new-wavers" to flourish.[66]Rolling Stone writes that Is This It inspired "a ragged revolt" in Britain, led by The Libertines and Arctic Monkeys, and continued its influence in the U.S. on the success of bands like Kings of Leon.[67]The Observer shares a similar view and concludes that "a fine brood of heirs", like The Libertines and Franz Ferdinand, would not have existed and been successful if The Strokes had not reinvigorated "rock's obsession with having a good time".[68]Jared Followill
of Kings of Leon notes that the album was one of the main reasons that
he wanted to get into a band; he states, "The title track was one of
the first basslines I learned ... I was just 15 at the time."[69]
and.... the greatest performance ive ever seen on letterman (that aint saying much though. letterman sucks. i watched conan and leno over him)
green day pulling a fan onstage to let him/her perform a song... this has been a GD routine for over a decade now. i wonder if this will happen in HK...regulations at AsiaWorld is strict and apparently there are seats on the floor... so wtf!
anyway,as i've said before, you can say you don't like their music. that's fine. but you can't say they dont put on a good show. i guarantee you on jan 17th you log onto facebook you'll see your hk friends rave about how great they are because compared to other performers here (or the crap that's been coming here. falloutboy? ) green day will be fucking legendary. (by HK standards. im not saying theyre the greatest and all that if you live in london or NYC. but if you live in HK, you aint seeing a show like this on a regular basis.)
hey ben, did you see this in the mailbag?
"The best example from this decade: I can no longer watch "Old School" because Luke Wilson and Ellen Pompeo Maggie'd the last half of the movie and turned it into a chick flick. Sorry, Blue. It's true. And the most underrated recent example that's growing on me (in a bad way): Maggie Gyllenhaal in "The Dark Knight." Watch that movie again, and ask yourself if (A) you're scared for her at any point, and (B) that movie isn't twice as good if someone more sexy/glamorous like Angelina Jolie or Scarlett Johansson is getting terrorized by the Joker. For a movie THAT good, I need to be totally invested in the superhero's hot love interest. I just wasn't there with Maggie. Which is interesting ... because her name is Maggie. See? Everything comes around."
I agree 1000%. She seriously dropped the movie 2 full ratings points for me by herself.
Hey Ben, thanks for the cool review of our shown a couple weeks ago. Hope you'll stop by The Wanch to catch more shows. Next time pls introduce yourself to us.. Keep on rocking John & Don't Panic.
Don't worry dude I "fanned" you too. I tried to reply on your guestbook but sometimes it just doesn't let you if you write alot I think. dunno why exactly
cheers for stopping by. I replied to your post.
Hostile possibly, but that's what's great about opinions. You should be entitled to them.
I've always been a champion of musicians like AXL Rose and MJ. Not only because I love their music, but simply because they are reknowned as being a complete ASSHOLES or FREAKS! It gives me great pleasure when I hear people criticise them personally. Because normally I will say. Not matter what AXL is like as a person, His Music makes up for any flaw. Same thing for Michael Jackson. I love both of them because the fact is, no matter how weird or horrible they are. They have an amazing talent that they share with the world and are entitled to be assholes or weird. Whatever, music has always been first for me.
AnD get a lot of flack around here for having favouritism for 24herbs. I was hearing a lot of negativity about them and felt like because I know the guys on a personal level and a lot of guys don't, I should try and defend both parties somewhat in case there was some kind of underground scandal! I personally, have no passion for Hip Hop, just like my favourite girls are chinese. But nonetheless I can register the fact these guys work hard and have reason for being here. not all musically related!
I hated hearing people moaning about the comp being fixed. Some people read my words and didn't translate them too well. I never said that. I only ever said it was a flawed comp and not just this one, music comps in general are always subjective anyways.
As for fanning 500+ people. I never liked the idea of picking and choosing my friends (because trust me in HK when you're totally in the artist scene you have a lot) and tonnes of these guys I know through clubbing or working. So why not just fucking add them all and save the trouble when people secretly get upset that your friends but you aint a "fan"
I don't like the "friends and fan" seperation but I guess after being on this website for almost 2 years it kinda gets muddled up after a while. Go look at our facebook and you will see my "top friends list" comprises of my band and my band only, for fear of offending good friends who would be upset if I didn't have enough space on there for them.
Anyway judgeing from the tone on our blog I'm presuming this might be a wasted defence of myself but I hope you understand my logic, and if not, hate me as a person. but respect the fact we make music that people do love.
cheers for coming over and taking the time to comment bro.
Hostile possibly, but that's what's great about opinions. Everyone should be entitled to them.
I've always been a champion of musicians like AXL Rose and MJ. Not only because I love their music, but simply because they are reknowned as being a complete ASSHOLES or FREAKS! It gives me great pleasure when I hear people criticise them personally. Because normally I will say. Not matter what AXL is like as a person, His Music makes up for any flaw. Same thing for Michael Jackson. I love both of them because the fact is, no matter how weird or horrible they are. They have an amazing talent that they share with the world and are entitled to be assholes or weird. Whatever, music has always been first for me.
AnD get a lot of flack around here for having favouritism for 24herbs. I was hearing a lot of negativity about them and felt like because I know the guys on a personal level and a lot of guys don't, I should try and defend both parties somewhat in case there was some kind of underground scandal! I personally, have no passion for Hip Hop, just like my favourite girls are chinese. But nonetheless I can register the fact these guys work hard and have reason for being here. not all musically related!
I hated hearing people moaning about the comp being fixed. Some people read my words and didn't translate them too well. I never said that. I only ever said it was a flawed comp and not just this one, music comps in general are always subjective anyways.
As for fanning 500+ people. I never liked the idea of picking and choosing my friends (because trust me in HK when you're totally in the artist scene you have a lot) and tonnes of these guys I know through clubbing or working. So why not just fucking add them all and save the trouble when people secretly get upset that your friends but you aint a "fan"
I don't like the "friends and fan" seperation but I guess after being on this website for almost 2 years it kinda gets muddled up after a while. Go look at our facebook and you will see my "top friends list" comprises of my band and my band only, for fear of offending good friends who would be upset if I didn't have enough space on there for them.
Anyway judgeing from the tone on our blog I'm presuming this might be a wasted defence of myself but I hope you understand my logic, and if not, hate me as a person. but respect the fact we make music that people do love.
cheers for coming over and taking the time to comment bro.
Hostile possibly, but that's what's great about opinions. Everyone should be entitled to them.
I've always been a champion of musicians like AXL Rose and MJ. Not only because I love their music, but simply because they are reknowned as being a complete ASSHOLES or FREAKS! It gives me great pleasure when I hear people criticise them personally. Because normally I will say. Not matter what AXL is like as a person, His Music makes up for any flaw. Same thing for Michael Jackson. I love both of them because the fact is, no matter how weird or horrible they are. They have an amazing talent that they share with the world and are entitled to be assholes or weird. Whatever, music has always been first for me.
AnD get a lot of flack around here for having favouritism for 24herbs. I was hearing a lot of negativity about them and felt like because I know the guys on a personal level and a lot of guys don't, I should try and defend both parties somewhat in case there was some kind of underground scandal! I personally, have no passion for Hip Hop, just like my favourite girls are chinese. But nonetheless I can register the fact these guys work hard and have reason for being here. not all musically related!
I hated hearing people moaning about the comp being fixed. Some people read my words and didn't translate them too well. I never said that. I only ever said it was a flawed comp and not just this one, music comps in general are always subjective anyways.
As for fanning 500+ people. I never liked the idea of picking and choosing my friends (because trust me in HK when you're totally in the artist scene you have a lot) and tonnes of these guys I know through clubbing or working. So why not just fucking add them all and save the trouble when people secretly get upset that your friends but you aint a "fan"
I don't like the "friends and fan" seperation but I guess after being on this website for almost 2 years it kinda gets muddled up after a while. Go look at our facebook and you will see my "top friends list" comprises of my band and my band only, for fear of offending good friends who would be upset if I didn't have enough space on there for them.
Anyway judgeing from the tone on our blog I'm presuming this might be a wasted defence of myself but I hope you understand my logic, and if not, hate me as a person. but respect the fact we make music that people do love.
cheers for coming over and taking the time to comment bro.
In West Philly, born and raised. On the playgound's where I spent most of my days. Chilling out maxing relaxing all cool and all shooting some bball outside the......
In West Philly, born and raised. On the playgound's where I spent most of my days. Chilling out maxing relaxing all cool and all shooting some bball outside the...
Nah, just kidding.
I'm like this half local half ABC dude. I've lived exactly half my life in LA and the half in HK. I'm not really like them westernized ABCs that hang around LKF everynight, but then I'm not really that local cause my Cantonese cussing is not up to par and I don't carry a freaking man-purse (that's the HK style, man. Not hating... just saying.) I'm stuck in the middle.
I used to write for BC and Beats Magazine. I did mainly movie reviews and the occasional feature here and there. Now I'm freelancing (aka unemployed). Yeah. Still writing though.
I love basketball. movies. music. food. poker. In that order.
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